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Halfbakery. This is an archived copy I pulled before the halfbakery website was discontinued. So none of the links work but you get a feel for the original context. The site was more space efficient but also recognizably spare. carbonated ketchup   (+27,

Escher's Ketchup   (+5)
ketchup   (+63,

Ketchup marbles   (+6)

Varietal Ketchup   (+15,

Yellow Catsup   (+4, -9)

 food: condiments: ketchup 

Varietal Ketchup [edit, delete]
Actually taste a particular tomato in ketchup.
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Early Girl, Amana Orange, Black Brandywine, and Bulgarian Triumph are just some of the proud heirloom tomatoes waiting for their turn in the sun.

And now they have it: varietal ketchup.

In order to produce varietal ketchup, it is essential to understand the characteristics different tomatoes offer and how those characteristics should be expressed in varietal ketchup. This is the role of the Varietal Ketchupier: a bold entrepreneur who combines the esoteric skills of a vintner, the soul of a gambler and the spicing knack of a master chef.

You and I will be among the top cats up on the totem pole of your foodie friends. They will seethe with jealousy as we retreat to our wine cellar/ketchup vaults and debate (sotto voce), "A spunky Petite Sirah, the obvious wine choice for tonight's meal, but should we go with the rare "1998 Tiffin Mennonite" or the reliable, silky "2000 Soldaki" or just go crazy and break out the "1999 San Marzano"... decisions... decisions!"

Much as many restaurants have a "spicy dark" and a "yellow" mustard on every table, soon they will have standard old ketchup for the unenlightened and at least one other for us, the sauce savants. A classy joint will proffer a ketchup menu without being asked.

DadManWalking, Dec 22 2003

Ketchup World http://www.ketchupworld.com/
The world's largest purveyor of ketchup. [waugsqueke, delete]




       You and my grandmother would have gotten along just fine. She regularly made catsup, and labeled it according to what was in it. Different types went with different dishes.   

       I miss her. She made the best shine on the planet.

humanbean, Dec 22 2003

       If I had a million dollars,
We wouldn't have to eat Kraft Dinner.
(But we would eat Kraft Dinner. Of course we would, we'd just eat more.
And buy really expensive ketchup with it.
That's right, all the fanciest Dijon Ketchup. Mmmmmm.)

       [some lyrics from the Barenaked Ladies song "If I had a million dollars"]

oxen crossing, Dec 23 2003

       Since your grandmother was clearly ahead of her time you should start an informal but vigorous audit of her practices and doings. Somewhere in her kitchen is yet another "next big thing." Consider it your birthright. You just have to figure out what it is (or maybe this is just the varietal ketchup talking...)

DadManWalking, Dec 23 2003
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       Let me tell you, most grandmothers who lived on midwestern farms did that. Various forms of catsups, pickles, and relishes, each done as that particular type of tomato or cuke got ripe, according to recipes that were jealously guarded and handed down unchanged from the time when God was just a very small neighbor boy. Lined up in wide-mouthed pint canning jars with their little rings of gold like crowns with dates penned upon them, and placed on dark pantry shelves like little princely soldiers ready to be plucked out and dropped onto the table to attack plain fried potato with a preserved memory of a bygone summer day's aroma. Beefsteak tomato, redder than blood, and early green tomato, sweeter to taste, not as thick. Some years had more rain, and the reds were better than the greens. Pickled cukes, okra, cauliflour boiled with mustard to make chow-chow, and tomato-corn relish. Red catsup for burgers, green for fried eggs, and pickle relish for just about anything.

humanbean, Dec 23 2003

       And to think I thought sauce came in only two varieties - "red" or "brown"! I like the idea of recognising the varieties and having ketchup tastings and the like, but do I have to swill it around and spit it out into a pristine spittoon to seem connoisseurial?

dobtabulous, Dec 23 2003

       <aside> In the officers mess in the British Army, tomato ketchup is referred to as Sauce Rouge to give it an all-together more classy image.</aside>   

       'course, in my house, it's called tommy ketch!

jonthegeologist, Dec 23 2003

       ketchup is to fish what Posh is to Becks! Made for each other, you might say.   

       To choose the perfect ketchup, though, you need to consider not just the fish itself, but the batter, the chips and even the additional flavourings such as salt and vinegar.   

       One approach is to choose a fresh, zingy light red sauce such as a Balham Bloomer to act like a squeeze of lemon with the food.   

       Or you can go for a soft, round, spicy type like Battersea Beauty to add a dimension of its own.   

       Clapham Yellow, a little fuller bodied than many pale sauces and satisfyingly rounded, goes beautifully, as does sparkling ketchup, the most luxurious option. I wouldnt serve a brown sauce, though, as first choice; the onion extract in the sauce can give a hard taste in the mouth when partnering delicate fish.

po, Dec 23 2003

       excellent idea. +1

po, Dec 23 2003

       HRuuurrkkkhh ! Fish with tomato sauce? You are seriously broken, woman !

UnaBubba, Dec 23 2003

       Can anyone say, authoritatively, that ketchup wasn't sold like this at one time; or did Heinz simply mix 57 varieties together, called it good and bottled it?

phoenix, Dec 23 2003

       The word Ketchup likely derives from the Bahasa (Malay/Indonesian) 'ketjap', which we now know as fish sauce, 'ketjap manis' (notable as a Thai ingredient). Taken to Europe by the British and Portuguese, it was then made with nuts and mushrooms, though 'ketchup' denoted any sauce made using vinegar.   

       Worcestershire sauce is probably closer to the original recipe than the bland tomato confection of today. There are many similar recipes, as there are of Italian tomato sauces.   

       It is unclear when tomatoes became part of the sauce. The name Catchup is the first recorded Anglicisation, followed by Ketchup, then Catsup.   

       The "57 varieties" relates to an advertising campaign H.J Heinz ran, pretending they had 57 different products, I think you'll find. Heinz started out with one product, grated horseradish.

UnaBubba, Dec 23 2003

       Hey [po] are you cribbing from Ketchup Spectator? I seem to recognize the style...

DadManWalking, Dec 23 2003
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       The duration of my living in Australia in the late 70s was marred only by the native assumption that any takeaway food that one buys will automatically have tomato sauce pumped into it without question or option. It turned my original disinterest in ketchup on my food into a rampant almost life-threatened state of attempted poisoning by the food serving workforce. It's only about now that I can come down and give it a go without feeling that choice and liberty is being denied.   

       btw - the two beers I have on at the moment are both single- varietal. The lager is Saaz hops and the new ale is Northdown. Both jolly good, too.

Rods Tiger, Dec 23 2003

       Tomato sauce is a creeping, insidious evil. I have tried to ban it from my home, but someone has been dealing the shit to my kids, it seems.

UnaBubba, Dec 23 2003

       Problems with the tomato paste underground, UnaBubba? The ketchup black market perhaps?

Letsbuildafort, Dec 23 2003

       They are 2 and 3 years old. I'm unsure of the vector of addiction, but it has happened.

UnaBubba, Dec 23 2003

       Aww, I'm sorry to hear that, UnaBubba. Shirley you've done a rigorous internal investigation?

Letsbuildafort, Dec 23 2003

       Welcome to the bakery, Dad. (WTAGIPBAN)

krelnik, Dec 23 2003

       Ahh - sweet, seductive and a smooth finish too - such a great vintage. Waiter, another bottle of the '63 and be quick about it - my chips (fries) are getting cold!

dobtabulous, Dec 23 2003

       [jutta] I, too, was surprised, I googled 'varietal ketchup' 'varietal catsup' 'heirloom ketchup' 'heirloom catsup'. I found some recipes (the best sounding included mustard, go figure) but no commercial products. If you help me score some of the red stuff then the Barney's Gourmet Burgers and the corkage fees are on me.   

       But in the big picture I want more than a single product, I want a shelf or two of the grocery store dedicated to varieties. We have 6 or so types of maple syrup and dozens of pasta shapes in even small grocery stores. This is just the kind of injustice that lead to the Attack of the Killer Tomatoes.

DadManWalking, Dec 23 2003
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       Looks like [Jutta] has found some good leads (and a destination for my next September culinary expedition to stock the ketchup vault.)   

       Let me know when you want your barney's 'k? piedmont, shattuck, college or solano?

DadManWalking, Dec 26 2003
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       This seems recipe-ish to me, but whuddoo I know.   

       // Tomato sauce is a creeping, insidious evil. //   

       Harsh words from someone so culinarily open-minded. How odd that such an innocent foodstuff so vexes thee.

waugsqueke, Dec 26 2003

       its the Bubba, ignore him, till he comes up with a better recipe <drool>

po, Dec 26 2003

       [waugsqueke] //This seems recipe-ish to me, but whuddoo I know//   

       arrg. I'm new. This sounds like a gentle reprimand. But in the food area it seems like this should be ok (or oker). But I take the point. I'll watch it.   

       I looked at Ketchup World. Mostly seemed that the differences were not in the tomatoes but in the spices and other matter. Sounded yummy, but not like what I describe. Must return to shopping cart at Ketchup World...

DadManWalking, Dec 26 2003
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       Update on baking this one...   

       I have a neighbor who is in the nursery business. Starts scads of tomatoes and then carts them off to the retailers as plants. This year she said she'd planted 90 varieties. Oy! it is early in the planting season but we are consulting on which would be most interesting. Spicing is an issue... humanbean? you still about? got any of your grandmother's recipes?   

       I'm puttin off building the cellar for a bit.

DadManWalking, Feb 12 2004
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